Draft law amending the Waste Act and, in consequence, amending other laws (461 SE) - second reading
Session: 15th Riigikogu, 4th session, plenary session
Date: 2024-12-10 12:07
Total Speeches: 118
Membership: 15
Agenda Duration: 2h 12m
AI Summaries: 118/118 Speeches (100.0%)
Analysis: Structured Analysis
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Summary
The agenda item concerned the second reading of the draft law amending the Waste Act, initiated by the Government of the Republic, and amending other laws related to it, bill number 461. The purpose of the draft law is to reduce the number of missing or destroyed vehicles and to direct end-of-life vehicles to proper dismantling. The draft law is also related to motor vehicle tax and contains various amendments concerning both the implementation of the Waste Act, the Road Traffic Act, and the regulations pertaining to motor vehicle tax. The Environment Committee began a thorough discussion of the draft law, listened to the positions of interest groups, and prepared a large number of amendment proposals. A wide-ranging discussion took place during the second reading of the draft law, and, from among the various proposals, compromises were reached to reconcile the positions of the government and opposition parties, and the expected procedural actions were confirmed: the adoption of amendment proposal number 15 and several other parts, and the plan to forward the draft law for further proceedings in a third reading and final vote. In summary, the focus of the agenda was the final framework of the legal amendments and their impact on the state budget, the environment, and property relations. The second reading was concluded, and the Riigikogu intends to continue with a third reading and final vote, while also confirming the plan to extend the session and the progression of the agenda.
Decisions Made 3
The Environment Committee decided to submit 14 proposed amendments regarding the draft bill and to take the majority of the proposals into consideration; 5–11, 22, 24, and 25 are not to be put to a vote according to the leading committee's consensus.
The Riigikogu adopted amendment proposal no. 15 (47 in favor, 19 against) and concluded the second reading of the bill; the third reading and final vote are planned for December 16th.
The draft was confirmed at the end of the second reading to extend the session until 2:00 PM, with 46 members of the Riigikogu voting in favor and 11 against.
Most Active Speaker
The most active speaker: Mait Klaassen (pid FN_Sw0Q_hvE). Position: other (member of the environment committee and rapporteur), represented the coalition's viewpoints and delivered the main presentations and responses to questions from interest groups and third institutions.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The Riigikogu will discuss, on its second reading, the government-initiated bill to amend the Waste Act and amendments to related laws (Bill No. 461), and Mait Klaassen, a member of the Environment Committee, will give the presentation.
Mait Klaassen
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The Environment Committee presented the draft law amending the Waste Act and, in connection with that, the draft law amending other laws, prepared for the second reading; it submitted about 14 amendment proposals, heard the views of stakeholder groups, and decided to proceed with further processing so that the draft would reduce the number of missing vehicles and would direct decommissioned vehicles to proper dismantling; the next steps are the completion of the second reading on the Riigikogu's agenda on 10 December 2024 and the start of the third reading on 16 December 2024.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi announced that amendments Nos. 5–11, 22, 24 and 25 are not to be put to the plenary vote, because the steering committee, without taking them into account, voted against them by consensus, and this is pursuant to Section 106(2) of the Riigikogu's Rules of Procedure, and then he asked Rene Kokk to take the floor.
AI Summary
After the introduction of the motor tax, Rene Kokk asked what happens in the case of a stolen car: how long the procedure to remove it from the registration takes, whether the owner must pay motor tax if the car is no longer there, and whether the draft discusses how such a situation would be taxed.
Mait Klaassen
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Although there was no discussion on this aspect, Mait Klaassen said that if a car is stolen and not found in a police search and it falls under this tax, the maximum for this car is two years, but the matter will be resolved in another way.
Mart Võrklaev
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Mart Võrklaev praises a bill that would allow not paying motor vehicle tax when a disappeared or destroyed vehicle is easily deleted from the registry, and thereby contribute to the environment and to reducing derelict vehicles, and asks the Environment Committee about its impact on the state budget and on achieving environmental targets.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The deputy chairman Toomas Kivimägi asked Mart Võrklaev to take the floor.
Mait Klaassen
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In short, the first two years are tax-exempt. The number of vehicles registered in Estonia is about 900,000, and about 30,000 are temporarily deregistered, which makes the impact on the state budget difficult to forecast, because some of them are put into use or sold and begin paying the car tax, but the law provides that the car tax is paid for the entire year regardless of the date, so those 30,000 do not constitute a complete loss of revenue.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The deputy chairman, Toomas Kivimägi, asks that Kert Kingo come to speak.
Kert Kingo
AI Summary
Kert Kingo posed a question about how removal of a car from the vehicle register is carried out in the event of its disappearance or destruction, what procedures apply with the necessary documents and deadlines, and which government agency's certificate ensures its legality, so that no one could simply remove the car from the register and obtain a tax exemption.
Mait Klaassen
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From January 1, 2025, you will be able to submit to the vehicle registration an application describing the reason for the car's disappearance (for example, sale); in the future deletions will be based on the owner's maintenance obligation, a rolling deletion will be added, and if the car has not shown any signs of life in the vehicle register for seven years and has not undergone an inspection, it will be deleted automatically; deletion is free in the first year and €15 in the second year.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi invited Rene Kokk to speak.
AI Summary
Rene Kokk asks how, in the case of a stolen car after January 1, 2025, the vehicle tax and the request to delete the car from the register work – whether they can be submitted immediately or only after two years – and why the owner must pay the vehicle tax when the car is no longer there, which seems unfair.
Mait Klaassen
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Mait Klaassen promises to provide a written answer that clarifies which submissions allow you to delete entries from the registry and suspend the vehicle tax, and under what conditions a stolen car may be exempt from the vehicle tax, regardless of whether the theft occurred on January 1 or December 31.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi asks Andres Metsoja to come forward.
Andres Metsoja
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
The Isamaa Party proposed abolishing the motor vehicle tax, but instead a provision to change the motor vehicle tax was added to the bill, and the rapporteur was asked for a precise explanation of exactly what this bill changes in the motor vehicle tax and how it will affect every Estonian person.
Mait Klaassen
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In short, the change to motor vehicle tax brings the greatest benefit to restorers of historic vehicles, offering them tax exemptions and simplified procedures for moving classic cars in the first two years, and after 2027 historic vehicles and vintage-technology club cars can continue with a new recognition-period cycle, which will bring more peace to society.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi invites Kert Kingot.
Kert Kingo
AI Summary
Kert Kingo asks how, in different situations—for example, if the car is stolen or the car burns down, or if the car sinks into a pothole or through lake ice into the water and it is not possible to take pictures—the deduction from the car’s payout is carried out, and whether the law in this respect has been made more precise so that the owner does not have to pay for a car that no longer exists.
Mait Klaassen
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I think this law allows one to repossess these vehicles from the debtor's assets quite readily: in the case of accident victims, they can be repossessed on the basis of the Police and Border Guard Board Act, in the case of a fire on the basis of the Rescue Board Act, and if a vehicle sinks through the ice, the Rescue Board Act is often sufficient as well, and the authorities handling specific cases have the right to issue these Acts.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi asks Mart Võrklaev to take the floor.
Mart Võrklaev
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Mart Võrklaev states that the motor vehicle tax is designed to be as equal as possible and there would be few exemptions, but inequality arises when car collectors or restorers can obtain an exemption by temporarily deregistering, while a pensioner who drives infrequently must pay, and he asks whether this inequality is justified.
Mait Klaassen
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He said that the residency-based exception was not discussed in the commission, and this time its implementation is not possible, and so-called putitajad notwithstanding, the restoration of a vintage vehicle is not putitamine, but a very large, time-consuming and expensive job, where the car is taken apart down to the very last strand and down to the very last screw and bolt.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi invited Henn Põlluaas to perform.
Henn Põlluaas
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Henn Põlluaas highlighted several concrete cases, for example a car that was sold ten years ago but couldn't be transferred into the owner's name, and in the registry it still appears as the owner, which raises the question of whether he has to pay vehicle tax and how to correct the situation.
Mait Klaassen
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From the briefing it emerged that if a car was sold ten years ago, it may already have fallen out of the register due to seven years of inactivity or be about to fall out soon; the owner will be notified, and if the owner does not know where the car is located or if the car has disappeared, they can have it deleted from the register by submitting an application; in the future, the rolling rule will come into force and cars will be automatically removed from the traffic register.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi invited Mart Maastik onto the stage.
Mart Maastik
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Mart Maastik highlights an example of a law amendment in which vehicles that have been written off the books may be sent to a landfill or scrapped by the landowner, and asks how to prevent this.
Mait Klaassen
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Mait Klaassen emphasizes that before towing away an ATV or any other machine you must first verify the owner and the frame number, and, if necessary, contact the police, because rushing can lead to incorrect solutions, and the basis for resolving the situation is the cooperation of neighbours and the community.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The deputy speaker Toomas Kivimägi affirmed the creativity of Riigikogu members and promised even more exciting cases and invited Andres Metsoja to perform.
Andres Metsoja
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
The presenter discussed the roles of stakeholder groups and hunters and asked how, in real life, the removal of Roma whose ownership is undetermined for the purpose of utilization works.
Mait Klaassen
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The first step is to contact the Police and Border Guard Board, because even if the vehicle has license plates attached, a private individual cannot determine the owner; owner inquiries are conducted only by the PPA, and if the owner cannot be found or if it is a lost and deregistered vehicle, there is a possibility to hand it over; hunters should not be granted an exemption, because hunting is an expensive hobby.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi invited Mart Maastikut to perform.
Mart Maastik
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Laws must be so precise and clearly worded that there is no possibility of abuse of property or theft, because the example of an electric bicycle shows how a deficient law can lead to the loss of property and even to a situation where a person wakes up on his own property without a car.
Mait Klaassen
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Mait Klaassen thanks and notes that it was more of an explanation than a question.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi turns to Urve Tiiduse and says: "please!"
Urve Tiidus
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Urve Tiidus asks how to handle theoretical and unforeseen situations, such as a meteorite fall, and whom to contact regarding these problems under the Waste Act as it relates to automobiles.
Mait Klaassen
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If questions arise, contact the Transport Administration's Register (TRAM) first, because that is where you can obtain the most accurate and practical information and a solution; if necessary, you may also contact the Police and Border Guard Board for assistance.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman, Toomas Kivimägi, asked Helir-Valdor Seeder to take the floor.
Helir-Valdor Seeder
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Helir-Valdor Seeder argues that the draft does not establish a code of conduct but legalizes the danger about which Mart Maastik spoke, and it is reasonable to pause reading the draft and fix its faults, emphasizing that not all people are normal and that laws are necessary for conflict situations, and raises a question about the restorers and owners of antique vehicles, whether they must actively register once a year to gain access to the exhibition and pay a tax for the whole year.
Mait Klaassen
Profiling Eesti Reformierakonna fraktsioonAI Summary
Mait Klaassen said that this was a compromise proposal, the answer to which is yes, and for the whole year it costs about 17 cents per day.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi asks Urmas Reinsalu to take the floor.
Urmas Reinsalu
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Urmas Reinsalu warned that the intention to delete vehicles from the registry in order to evade taxes and the transfer of ownership to a waste handler without the owner's consent is unconstitutional and may enable the alienation of property from those who possess it illegally.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The deputy chairman Toomas Kivimägi thanks the listeners.
Urmas Reinsalu
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Urmas Reinsalu claims that the deprivation of property rights is unconstitutional, and asks whether it has been discussed how an illegal possessor could begin to take people’s property.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi thanked and said that the question was understandable.
Mait Klaassen
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Mait Klaassen said that he did not remember that we had discussed this matter with the owner's permission, and that the analysis department had not been attentive to possible constitutional problems, and he asked us to recall the first part of that question.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The deputy chairman, Toomas Kivimägi, invited Igor Taro to speak.
Igor Taro
AI Summary
Igor Taro asks to confirm that the committee's amendment is worded to be in accordance with the bill's objective and universal in scope, not as an exception, and that before the vote the committee received feedback from the Ministry of Finance, on the basis of which the ministry deemed the amendment sufficiently well thought out.
Mait Klaassen
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Mait Klaassen said that it was more of a helpful clarification than a question; the Ministry of Finance finally agreed, and after the initial discussions they reached an agreement on this matter.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi asks Varro Vooglaid to take the floor.
Varro Vooglaid
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Varro Vooglaid thanks and asks why, from 2027, an 800-euro state fee is charged for deleting a vehicle from the register, and asks for clarification of which registry operation justifies such a cost.
Mait Klaassen
Profiling Eesti Reformierakonna fraktsioonAI Summary
Mait Klaassen said that this is not a classic state fee, but an environmental levy established for failing to fulfil the due diligence obligation within two years, and if it has not been paid or suspended, the vehicle is deregistered from the vehicle register with an entry, and the environmental levy accompanies it, since the vehicle is likely scrapped in an unauthorized place and there are unmet environmental requirements.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi appealed to Urmas Reinsalu and presented him with a petition.
Urmas Reinsalu
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
They submitted 15 clarifying questions to the proposed amendment: who is the identifier, how is the holder understood, and whether this means that a person under factual control has the right to destroy a vehicle owned by a third party if it has been deregistered from the register.
Mait Klaassen
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Mait Klaassen explains that deletions from the vehicle register can be checked via TRAM or by submitting an information request to the Police and Border Guard Board, because a private individual does not have the right to know about it.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
He told Urmas that this question is a bit complicated.
Mait Klaassen
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Mait Klaassen emphasizes that the operator must also be convinced that he is accepting the machine that he actually has the right to bring there.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi asks Varro Vooglaid to wait for a moment.
Varro Vooglaid
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Varro Vooglaid notes that an 800-euro government fee for deleting a record from the registry is essentially a penalty, not a reimbursement of the costs required to perform that operation, and therefore the bill has a conceptual flaw.
Mait Klaassen
Profiling Eesti Reformierakonna fraktsioonAI Summary
Although this aspect has not been discussed, the proposer of the amendment provided an explanation that it is an environmental levy, which covers costs and may lead to environmental improvement works, and the levies are not always calculated down to the last cent.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi asks Helir-Valdor Seeder to take the floor.
Helir-Valdor Seeder
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Helir-Valdor Seeder criticizes the government's tax and levy policy, emphasizing that the environmental levy must be cost-based and in law it should be clearly distinguished from the state fee, and expresses skepticism about the idea of a broad-based security tax, which could increase the tax burden.
Mait Klaassen
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He says that it is not cost-based, but in fact it is a levy that he agrees to.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi turns to Anti Haugas and asks him to take the floor.
Anti Haugas
Profiling Fraktsiooni mittekuuluvad Riigikogu liikmedAI Summary
Anti Haugas said that to cover state costs there must be a state fee, and he proposed that in the case of a temporary stop of a vehicle an additional charge could be applied to cover the registrar's costs of the stop and the subsequent actions to verify the vehicle's existence, and he asked whether such a fee is planned.
Mait Klaassen
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Mait Klaassen explains that in the case of temporary deletion the first year is fee-free, and for the register of suspended vehicles the first year is fee-free and the second year costs 15 euros, but further changes to state fees are not addressed within the framework of this Act.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi thanks and announces that the questions have ended, opens negotiations, and Anti Allas requests additional time, for which eight minutes are allotted.
Anti Allas
Profiling Fraktsiooni mittekuuluvad Riigikogu liikmedAI Summary
Anti Allas stated that the draft is unequivocally positive, because it improves the previous car tax shortcomings, ensures the necessary funding for public services, and takes into account rural areas, historical vehicle heritage, and essential usage needs.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The speech expresses great gratitude and invites Andres Metsoja to take the floor.
Andres Metsoja
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Andres Metsoja said that Isamaa's proposed motor vehicle tax bill is unfair and must be abolished; if they come to power, they will repeal this tax, emphasizing the need for a precise and balanced legal framework and for solutions that protect both state and private interests and also address the parking situations of housing associations.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
They say that three more minutes are needed.
Andres Metsoja
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
The briefing deals with the concept of abandoned property and the balancing of ownership rights, emphasizing that even a vehicle deregistered from the register remains the owner's property, and before its destruction there must be an intermediate step where it is kept in a parking lot, and the owner can, if necessary, take back the property and cover the related costs; the state's task is to provide solutions, and Isamaa calls for suspending the reading of the bill.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman thanks all participants and invites Igor Taro to speak.
Igor Taro
AI Summary
Igor Taro stressed that the bill is not a motor vehicle tax bill, but focuses on eliminating rusted wrecks and tidying up the registry, introducing a temporary deregistration mechanism to exempt from taxation, and making the reduction of environmental impact and the protection of landowners' rights the priority, which were achieved by consensus.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi thanked, and said that he understood the aforementioned previous speaker and Andres Metsoja's rebuttal speech, and would interject with it.
Andres Metsoja
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Andres Metsoja said that the bill had reached the chamber so clearly that a separate vote wasn't necessary, and the decision-making process and votes should take place in the larger part of the chamber, but in the future the committee could conduct all questions by vote, so that it would be known how anyone voted.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi thanks and presents a request to Rene Kokk.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The speech lasts eight minutes.
AI Summary
Rene Kokk states that the car tax draft is disproportionate and burdens rural areas, and calmly invites discussion on the handling of thieves and old cars, the reasonableness of a cost-based fee, and the issue of deletion from the registry, in order to protect society and cultural heritage.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The speaker thanks the audience, asks Urmas Reinsalu to take the floor, who asks for extra time, and there are eight minutes left.
Urmas Reinsalu
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Isamaa believes that although the aim of the car tax is temporary, the coalition's draft contains unconstitutional provisions that threaten the ownership rights of vehicles deregistered from the register and create a possibility for malicious holders to dismantle them or force them to pay, and therefore they intend to challenge the constitutionality of the law.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi announces that now it is Mart Võrklaeva's turn to speak in the role of the defender of the motor vehicle tax, and adds that we will also practice foreign words.
Mart Võrklaev
Profiling Eesti Reformierakonna fraktsioonAI Summary
Mart Võrklaev notes that although the motor vehicle tax law is not currently being processed, a 2025–2026 transition will be introduced, which allows temporarily deleting a car from the registry and opting out of taxation, but it creates environmental damage and inequality and may result in wrecks remaining in nature, if grandma pays, but collectors or car breakers do not.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The speaker asks for three more minutes.
Mart Võrklaev
Profiling Eesti Reformierakonna fraktsioonAI Summary
Mart Võrklaev emphasizes that the temporary granting of tax exemption by deregistration would create additional bureaucracy and disputes, would cause about three million euros in losses to the state budget, would increase inequality, and would slow down the disposal of end-of-life vehicles, thereby also harming the environment.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The deputy chairman, Toomas Kivimägi, thanks and asks Urmas Reinsalu to deliver a reply speech.
Urmas Reinsalu
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Urmas Reinsalu criticizes the draft motor vehicle tax act as an absurdity, stating that it could lead to a situation in which vehicles that have been deregistered from the registry or registered in a foreign registry can be dismantled without an owner, and owners would have no legal remedies, and he calls on the government coalition to withdraw the entire law.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi ends the negotiations and directs the review of the proposed amendments: the majority of the Environmental Committee's proposals want to be fully taken into account, but Raimond Kaljulaid's proposals 5–11 are disregarded and will not be put to a vote in the chamber under § 106(2).
Urmas Reinsalu
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Urmas Reinsalu invited the current MPs who have authority to be in this parliamentary chamber, including the leaders of the factions.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi says that he understands the message directed at Heliri.
Urmas Reinsalu
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Urmas Reinsalu urged the coalition not to support the aforementioned provision, stressing that for future possible constitutional disputes its meaning must be identified separately in light of the motor vehicle tax; the debate in Parliament has been substantive, and we have actually determined the meaning of this provision.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
He thanks, says that he can proceed, and asks that Helir-Valdor Seeder's amendment proposal be submitted.
Helir-Valdor Seeder
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
He asks you to vote in favor of this proposed amendment.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi informed that preparations are under way for the vote on Amendment No. 15 to Draft Bill No. 461, and asked colleagues to take a stance and vote, noting that the lead committee wishes to take the amendment proposal fully into account.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The Riigikogu voted 47 in favour, 19 against; the vote in favour of amendment No. 15, no. 16–21 will be fully taken into account, no. 22 was left unaccounted, and Helir-Valdor Seeder noted that voting on it is not possible under the Rules of Procedure and Working Order Act, therefore a procedural question arises.
Helir-Valdor Seeder
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Helir-Valdor Seeder noted that although the amendment proposal has been incorporated into the materials, it has not been clearly stated that it is not up for a vote, and he assumes that it is up for a vote, because, according to decades of practice, amendments that have passed the committee are included in the materials for the second reading.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi said that this note has not been circulated with the accompanying documents and proposed amendments, but amendments 5–11, 22, 24 and 25 are not subject to a vote, because they did not receive the steering committee's consensus support, and the yellow book must still be taken into account in order to avoid accusations of a lenient interpretation.
Urmas Reinsalu
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
We're dealing with it right now and we're putting the matter in context.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
The speech expresses a gradual, layer-by-layer approach.
Urmas Reinsalu
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Urmas Reinsalu criticized the work of the committee and the chair of the meeting, emphasized that the current table of proposed amendments must reflect reality, and if it does not reflect reality, the procedure must be halted and the amendments put to a vote.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi said that this is a technical inaccuracy in the list of proposed amendments, the missing note does not grant the right to conduct a vote under the Riigikogu's Rules of Procedure and Internal Rules Act, and it creates a bad precedent, and he apologized on behalf of the committee and asked Igor Taro to continue.
Igor Taro
AI Summary
Igor Taro thanks the chair, noting that although a small inaccuracy does not change this, the commission lacked the necessary votes for the amendment proposals, and he refutes the claim about the forged documents.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi explained that the committee's rapporteur did not voice those remarks, and he, in his capacity as the chair of the meeting, did so after the end of the presentation, because the secretariat had informed that the amendment proposals are not up for a vote.
Urmas Reinsalu
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Urmas Reinsalu said that Parliament is working on the basis of a table of imprecise amendment proposals, and that it should either vote according to the existing text or halt the review of those amendment proposals, stressing the need for proper procedure and the accuracy of documents and the need to limit interference.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi said that the review of amendment proposals cannot be interrupted and that the interruption of the second reading is still possible; he said that he has not interfered in the substance of the committee's work, and that Amendment No. 22 received 7 votes in favor and 1 against in the committee, and the Yellow Book says that it does not belong to the plenary vote.
Helir-Valdor Seeder
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Helir-Valdor Seeder said that he does not call for or encourage crime, and that stopping the second reading and aligning the amendments with reality allows the discussion to proceed with a properly drafted document.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Toomas Kivimägi said that in public law what is written applies, and there is no such possibility to interrupt the review of amendment proposals, although the Isamaa faction submitted Bill 461 to suspend the second reading, in the end it will be decided by the plenary hall.
Igor Taro
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He thanked the chair and explained that the RKKTS stipulates that amendments rejected by the committee can be put to a vote again only if there is more than one affirmative vote in the committee, which, however, did not exist in the committee; and since the representative of the Isamaa faction was aware of this before the session, he asked the chair whether they could now proceed with the procedure on that basis.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Toomas Kivimägi said that although a technical inaccuracy arose, there is no reason to interrupt the discussion of amendments, and he commends the Isamaa faction's professionalism, assuming that they knew from the outset that these proposals could not be voted on, but it is a justified and playful move, on which he asked Helir-Valdor Seeder to comment on it.
Helir-Valdor Seeder
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Helir-Valdor Seeder expresses deep disappointment and procedural confusion regarding the accuracy of the voting results on amendment proposals, and asks what should be taken as the basis when the table lists two votes, but in reality it was supported by one vote, and how such a discrepancy should be resolved.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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The vice-chairman, Toomas Kivimägi, thanked his colleague and added that in the event of a clear error the vote cannot be held in the chamber, and if in the table of amendment proposals two affirmative votes are shown, but in reality there has only been one, then in that situation the vote cannot be held.
Andres Metsoja
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Andres Metsoja regarded the situation as schizophrenic and confusing, saying that he had asked to put a specific amendment to a vote; that amendment received one affirmative vote, but it has been entered into the list of proposed amendments and a vote cannot be held, and he asked how the commission should proceed with its work going forward.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Toomas Kivimägi announced that although some amendment proposals are placed on the agenda but are not up for a vote, the steering committee completed the second reading of Bill 461, and the Isamaa faction submitted a proposal to suspend it, which will be put to a vote, and members of the Riigikogu will be called to vote.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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The Riigikogu voted to end the second reading of Bill 461: 23 in favor, 45 against, 0 abstentions; the Reform Party faction submitted a proposal to extend today’s session until the agenda is exhausted, but not later than 2:00 PM, and preparations for a vote are currently underway.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Vice-Chair Arvo Aller submitted a proposal on behalf of the Reform Party faction to extend today's plenary session agenda until it is exhausted, but no later than 14:00, asking everyone to take a position and vote.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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The proposal received 46 votes in favor, 11 against, and 0 abstentions, and the session was extended until 14:00.