Minister of the Interior's political statement on internal security
Session: 15th Riigikogu, 4th sitting, plenary session
Date: 2024-10-23 17:20
Participating Politicians:
Total Speeches: 183
Membership: 15
Agenda Duration: 3h 5m
AI Summaries: 183/183 Speeches (100.0%)
Analysis: Structured Analysis
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Summary
The second agenda item concerned the Ministry of the Interior's Minister of the Interior, Lauri Läänemets’s, political statement on internal security and proposed solutions in the form of a draft, addressing the influence of the Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate and the control of international ties of religious associations. The discussion revolved around recognized democratic principles, the protection of religious freedom, and the state’s obligation to ensure security values. The minister’s presentation emphasized that amendments to the Church and Religious Communities Act should prevent any influence of a foreign state or foreign organization on the church and define stricter conditions under which an entity may operate in Estonia. He stressed that the aim is not to restrict religious freedom, but to distinguish religious life from a political agenda and the need to reduce the influence of the Moscow Patriarchate in Estonia, especially in connection with the Ukrainian conflict and more broadly, Russian influence operations. In addition, the context of the Moldovan referendum and its connection to the protection of Western democratic principles was discussed. The aim of the legislative amendment is to create clear rules that enable the state to protect religious freedom while simultaneously reducing potential threats to public order and the constitutional order.
Decisions Made 1
During the current session, no decisions were made. During the minister's presentation, a discussion was held and it was confirmed that the draft bill will proceed to the coordination round and further proceedings will take place in accordance with national legislation. No specific legislative act was adopted, and there were no final legal decisions in the Riigikogu. The purpose and scope of the legislative amendment were clearly highlighted, but a coordination round and further parliamentary procedures must be carried out before a decision can be made.
Most Active Speaker
Urmas Reinsalu, representative of the Isamaa faction (right-wing) – the most active speaker, weaving questions and answers into a broad discussion; he represents a strong, opposition-minded and security-focused position and uses assertive rhetoric. Based on the subsequent text, he can be read as a Member of Parliament with a broad wealth of experience and who represents a right-wing/conservative viewpoint within discussions.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Under the second item on the agenda, Minister of the Interior Lauri Läänemets will deliver a political statement concerning internal security. This will be followed by a presentation lasting up to 15 minutes, and subsequently, one question will be allowed for each member of the Riigikogu, followed by open debate with the parliamentary groups.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
The government is emphasizing the protection of religious freedom and the assurance of national security by planning legislation that would exclude religious associations operating in Estonia from foreign influence and terminate the control held by the Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, stressing that the church must not serve a political agenda or justify violence.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi thanks the Minister, notes that he stayed within the allotted time and even had 30 seconds left over, and now opens the floor for questions, calling on Urmas Reinsalu to begin.
Urmas Reinsalu
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Urmas Reinsalu stressed that Isamaa unequivocally wants to address the issue of the Moscow Patriarchate and general criteria for church governance, and he questioned why the party is obstructing the resolution of voting rights for Russian citizens given the current security situation.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Speaker Toomas Kivimägi thanks.
Urmas Reinsalu
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
The speech convincingly presented the reasons why it shouldn't be done.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets confirms that he is protecting public order, security, and the sense of security in Estonia, and explains the upcoming processes. He emphasizes that the issue of voting rights for Russian citizens is not a priority for him, because the most important thing is security and ensuring that we do not change the attitude of people who are positively disposed towards Estonia.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Speaker Toomas Kivimägi invited Züleyxa Izmailova to speak.
Züleyxa Izmailova
Profiling Fraktsiooni mittekuuluvad Riigikogu liikmedAI Summary
Züleyxa Izmailova expressed support for the draft legislation, welcomed the Chair of the session and the Minister, and asked how it is possible to protect Estonia’s Orthodox believers from the actions of Russia and the Kremlin regime.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Lauri Läänemets stated that the role of the state is to establish the necessary rules and, via parliament, terminate the Estonian Orthodox Church’s subordination to Moscow, thereby giving the congregation the chance to focus on their faith without Russia’s political agenda today, tomorrow, or in the future.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Toomas Kivimägi invites Priit Sibul to speak.
Priit Sibul
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Priit Sibul criticizes the minister and the Estonian state's impotence, asking how the security stance aligns with the fact that people go to church praying to God, yet a state traitor released on bail is allowed to vote in local elections.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Toomas Kivimägi simply said, "Thank you!", turning the entire speech into a brief expression of gratitude.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets said that security-related issues must be addressed, and Estonian citizenship remains valid. Communication with the Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate has been polite and respectful, and the best solution would be the church separating from the Russian Patriarchate, which has not happened yet, and the state must respond to this.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Jaanus Karilaid is invited to speak.
Jaanus Karilaid
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Jaanus Karilaid accused both the government and the opposition, stating that the voting rights of the over 84,000 Russian citizens living in Estonia must be restricted based on a loyalty oath, and although there is the political will for this in parliament, the government is the one preventing it.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
It is not right to label all Russian citizens as a security threat, because some of them are figures in the Russian opposition and operate from Estonia against the Russian regime, thereby working in the interests of Estonian security.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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This is a brief request addressed to Anti Allas.
Anti Allas
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Anti Allas asked the minister to concisely identify the greatest threat posed by the Russian Orthodox Church to Estonian Orthodox believers and the wider society.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets warns that influence operations taking place under the guise of religion are seeking to create the impression that the aggression in Ukraine is justified. These operations amplify Russian propaganda and foment polarization within Western democratic societies, using soft language and religious connections to shape people's attitudes.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Chairman Toomas Kivimägi asks Lauri Laats to speak.
Lauri Laats
Profiling Eesti Keskerakonna fraktsioonAI Summary
Lauri Laats is asking the minister for specifics regarding the planned amendment to the Churches and Congregations Act—namely, what measures will be taken, whom the amendment protects, and in what manner. He emphasized that the issue concerns various religions, including Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Lauri Läänemets announced three significant changes: In Estonia, a church is prohibited from being subordinate to an organization that justifies war and terrorism and poses a security threat; the same organization will not be allowed to lead any religious association in the future; the name form must not be misleading or conceal the name of another religious organization; and, in defense of religious freedom, he stressed that the state must guarantee the independence of churches and religious associations from political interference, especially when dealing with the influence of a hostile state.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Chairman Toomas Kivimägi invites Vadim Belobrovtsev to speak.
Vadim Belobrovtsev
Profiling Eesti Keskerakonna fraktsioonAI Summary
Vadim Belobrovtsev points out that the Kremlin denies the war, instead using the phrase "special military operation," and he raises two key questions: have the links between the Estonian Orthodox Church and the Moscow Patriarchate actually been cut, and has anything already happened, or could anything happen, that poses a threat to the Estonian state and its security?
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets emphasized that the Estonian Orthodox Church is currently under the authority of the Moscow Patriarchate according to its existing statute, and wishes to end its subordination to the Kremlin so that congregations can operate peacefully and avoid the closure of church premises. However, security issues and Russian influence, which the example of Moldova illustrates, require attention.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Today, during the Riigikogu session, the government is seeking the discussion of the motion of no confidence submitted by Finance Minister Jürgen Liik and its inclusion on the agenda. The relevant materials are available at the back of the chamber, and the debate will commence once this agenda item is concluded.
Tiit Maran
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Tiit Maran emphasizes that faith is a personal matter and that it is necessary to distinguish between faith and the church as an institution, recalling historical examples where the church has used faith as a weapon through power structures. He explains that the proposed law is not aimed at faith in general, but specifically at preventing the utilization of the position held by the church branch connected to Russia, ensuring that religious life does not become a weapon in war.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
AI Summary
Deputy Speaker Toomas Kivimägi simply said: "Thank you."
Tiit Maran
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He/She asks for an overview of the steps that follow from that.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Lauri Läänemets said that if Parliament adopts the law, organizations will be given two months to bring their statutes into compliance, and if that deadline passes without changes, the Minister of the Interior may apply to the court to terminate the activities of that legal organization. However, this does not affect the congregations; the congregations will ultimately make the decision themselves, and receiving recognition from Constantinople can happen independently. The goal is to avoid going to court, and there is about five months or more time available to amend the statutes.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
AI Summary
The address is simply a plea: "Kalle Grünthal, please!"
Kalle Grünthal
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Grünthal asserts that the minister's statement does not comply with the standards of a state governed by the rule of law or the constitution. He emphasizes the separation of the executive, the judiciary, and the legislature, and asks whether there are any decisions adopted under the Penal Code that would confirm the allegations of cooperation with the Kremlin.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets said that the Russian Orthodox Church operating in Estonia is under the direct authority of Moscow. He added that although Parliament has deemed Patriarch Kirill's activities supportive of terrorism, and Kirill himself leads the church in Estonia, the problem cannot be solved merely by holding him accountable. Instead, there is a need for a legal basis and, due to security considerations, restrictions on Moscow's influence.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Vice-Chairman Arvo Aller invites Jaak Aab to speak.
AI Summary
Jaak Aab recalled the statement adopted by the Riigikogu on May 6 to recognize the Moscow Patriarchate as supporting aggression and terrorism, and asked what the problem still is, and whether the amendments to the statutes of the Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate are sufficient considering our security-political and legal situation.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets stated that the current amendments are insufficient and the subordination to Moscow must be removed from the charter, because the 1923 tomos stipulates that crucial decisions, as well as the selection of personnel and church leaders, are made from Moscow. These decisions are made by Patriarch Kirill, whom the Estonian parliament has recognized as supporting terrorism. Furthermore, the name "Estonian Orthodox Church" would violate current law and cause confusion.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Deputy Speaker Arvo Aller invited Anti Poolamets to take the floor.
Anti Poolamets
Profiling Eesti Konservatiivse Rahvaerakonna fraktsioonAI Summary
Anti Poolamets asserts that the Moscow Patriarchate has abused its position in Ukraine. He draws a historical parallel and accuses the political party of exhibiting conceptually inconsistent continuity in its efforts to reduce Russian influence, pointing out that they are confiscating monuments dedicated to men who fought against communism while simultaneously being unwilling to limit the influence of Russian citizens in elections and specifically in Narva.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
AI Summary
This address urges listeners to take action, stressing that their time is now.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets stressed that his obligation is to protect public order and the feeling of safety, which is why he is addressing the matter at hand. He added that security issues involve both various threats and those who view Estonia positively.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Deputy Chairman Arvo Aller addresses Kert Kingo and asks her to speak.
Kert Kingo
AI Summary
Kert Kingo asks how the minister's statement today, which emphasizes the state's role in setting rules, actually contributes to Estonia's security and the safety of its residents.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Lauri Läänemets stated that the planned amendments to the law are crucial for both security and religious freedom, and they must first be presented to the parliament, rather than being allowed to surface publicly via newspaper reports or press releases. He added that better answers for the public could emerge during a question-and-answer session.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Deputy Chairman Arvo Aller invites Anastassia Kovalenko-Kõlvart to speak.
Anastassia Kovalenko-Kõlvart
Profiling Eesti Keskerakonna fraktsioonAI Summary
Anastassia Kovalenko-Kõlvart highlights the minister's plan to ban the Orthodox Church or another religious community operating in Estonia, and asks how canonical ties with foreign churches will be assessed in practice, what legislative gaps this measure is intended to regulate, and whether the existing provisions of the Penal Code are sufficient to prevent illegal activities, such as war propaganda.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
According to Lauri Läänemets, the registration department currently lacks the legal basis to prohibit the registration of religious associations in Estonia on security grounds, but both direct and indirect impacts must be taken into account, as well as the potential consequences of Patriarch Kirill’s statements for Estonian security in the context of Russia’s aggression.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
AI Summary
This address is merely a request to Ester Karus.
Ester Karuse
Profiling Fraktsiooni mittekuuluvad Riigikogu liikmedAI Summary
He/She expresses concern about how religious freedom can be guaranteed in a democratic state if the government is forced to initiate the process of dissolving the Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
When discussing the amendment to the statute, Minister of the Interior Lauri Läänemets confirmed that the church can operate autonomously and will not be governed from outside Estonia. The state does not regulate faith or places of worship, and religious freedom is protected. Furthermore, Estonian Orthodox believers who do not want the Kremlin as their religious leader will remain free from Russian influence.
Raimond Kaljulaid
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Raimond Kaljulaid expressed surprise as to why some colleagues are bothered that important policy questions are being brought before the Riigikogu. Citing the UK custom, he asked whether the priority in Estonia should be to inform Parliament before the media, and what the Social Democrats' stance is.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Deputy Speaker Arvo Aller calls upon Raimond Kaljulaid to speak.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Lauri Läänemets said that if there are important issues, the minister has a legal option to address the parliament with a political statement, which is not merely informing, but involves an inclusive discussion and the provision of explanations. He added that although he wants the Riigikogu to have more opportunities, not every question should require that level of engagement, because freedom of religion is so crucial that its discussion cannot be limited merely to press releases. Instead, it must proceed through cooperation involving consultation rounds and legislative amendments, which could potentially even end up in court.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Varro Vooglaid asked about the conduct of the session.
Varro Vooglaid
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Varro Vooglaid called the event a propaganda spectacle and raised a procedural question regarding whether the Riigikogu's rules of procedure permit ministers to make political statements every day or several times a week without those statements being, as it were, formally written into the weekly schedule.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
AI Summary
He explains that there are no restrictions under the Riigikogu Rules of Procedure and Internal Rules Act, and they have the opportunity to submit their applications here, following which Vladimir Arhipov will be called.
Vladimir Arhipov
Profiling Fraktsiooni mittekuuluvad Riigikogu liikmedAI Summary
The author asks the Minister of the Interior what rules apply to amending the statutes—whether this is governed by a code of laws or canonical regulation—and how communities are involved in internal security matters as a whole.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets confirmed that changes to the statutes of the churches will be regulated by two laws, and Estonia does not intend to close down any congregation or allow it to be controlled by the Kremlin. Instead, it will continue an open dialogue and local explanatory work with the congregations.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Vice-Chairman Arvo Aller invites Helir-Valdor Seeder to speak.
Helir-Valdor Seeder
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Helir-Valdor Seeder claims that security requirements should apply to all organizations operating in Estonia, not just churches. He asks what the actual substance of this major legal change is, affirms that it is already in force, and criticizes the vague answers regarding the voting rights of citizens of the aggressor state, noting at the same time that he is appearing here in the role of the Minister of the Interior, not as the chairman of the Social Democrats.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
AI Summary
The speech is a call to action, saying that it is your time.
Helir-Valdor Seeder
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
The question is whether the Minister of the Interior holds a different stance on this issue than the leader of the Social Democrats.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets stated that he is present as the Interior Minister to fulfill the parliament's expectations. The discussion covered voting rights and how to involve those who are not Estonian citizens but are positively disposed toward Estonia. He stressed that the proposed amendments would supplement the existing law and could be debated by the parliament because the current security criteria do not always provide an opportunity to appeal to the courts. He also added that the church has not initiated the desired changes.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Deputy Chairman Arvo Aller calls Riina Solman to the stage.
Riina Solman
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Riina Solman accuses the government and the Social Democrats of hypocrisy and engaging in substitute activities, claiming they prioritize fighting the Moscow Patriarchate church over addressing the issue of revoking the voting rights of citizens of the aggressor state. She also asks what happened yesterday in the Constitutional Committee and why a representative of the Ministry of the Interior was not included.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
Lauri Läänemets emphasized that the government is seeking solutions regarding citizens' voting rights and the issue of Russian influence, and will also provide answers for those whose family includes a Russian citizen, or whose spouse or child is an Estonian citizen. He confirmed that he represents the stance of the Government of the Republic of Estonia, not the views of the Social Democrats, and stressed that reducing Moscow's influence is not a diversion.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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This is a short request to invite Peeter Tali to perform.
Peeter Tali
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Peeter Tali asks what this long-term plan might be, and suggests that it could mean that there is only one Orthodox church in Estonia, just like before the start of the Bolshevik occupation.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
The report emphasized that the plan needs to be swift and concise, that religious decisions must be made by the church itself, that the state cannot dictate canonical order but can offer support if needed, and that the primary objective is to terminate Russian and Moscow influence over the church by severing ties with the Kremlin.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Priit Sibul asked the chairman of the session a question.
Priit Sibul
Profiling Isamaa fraktsioonAI Summary
Priit Sibul asked the Riigikogu Board whether and when the government's draft bill had been forwarded to the MPs. He also requested that it be made available so that we could follow which specific paragraphs are being discussed and what exact changes are desired.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
AI Summary
The Riigikogu Board has not yet received any draft legislation related to internal security, and yesterday evening, the Board received the political statement by [the Minister of the Interior] on the topic of internal security, the contents of which were previously unknown, and which the Minister had promised to introduce to the Riigikogu along with a draft bill, but currently, no such draft bill exists.
Aleksei Jevgrafov
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Aleksei Jevgrafov criticizes the contradictory policy surrounding the restrictions on renouncing Russian citizenship. He points out that while the government is actively fighting the activities of the Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, it fails to assist individuals in relinquishing their Russian citizenship. As a result, Russia does not respond to the applications for release, preventing these individuals from applying for Estonian citizenship. Has the minister taken note of this issue, or does he propose an immediate solution?
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
The standing principle in Estonia is that dual citizenship is not allowed, and this cannot be changed without altering the principle itself. Although it is now possible to renounce Russian citizenship, the process is long. And while there is no political will to permit dual citizenship, a fundamental policy change is currently underway. This change is in the consultation round, is about to reach the public, and is not a secret.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Deputy Chairman Arvo Aller calls on Martin Helm.
Martin Helme
Profiling Eesti Konservatiivse Rahvaerakonna fraktsioonAI Summary
Martin Helme accused the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Police Authority regarding the Lihula monument incident of abuse of power, the deliberate distortion of laws, and the illegality of police actions. He criticized propaganda stunts and demanded accountability and resignation, finally asking who was responsible and whether any officials should step down from office.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
He confirms that power was not abused and no laws were broken, and that the accusations regarding propaganda are exaggerated. He emphasizes that the government protects every individual's freedom of memory and religion, and has undertaken actions such as the removal of the Russian tank and Soviet Union monuments in Narva, as well as the proposal to confiscate weapons from non-citizens.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Deputy Chairman Arvo Aller asked Rain Epler to come forward.
Rain Epler
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Rain Epler accuses the government of Russophilia, criticizing their stance on the red symbolism of the Bronze Soldier and the memorial displayed at the Military Cemetery as presenting a Putinist narrative, and claims they have blocked the revocation of voting rights for citizens of Russia and Belarus.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
AI Summary
The core message of the speech is that it is your time to act.
Rain Epler
Profiling Fraktsiooni mittekuuluvad Riigikogu liikmedAI Summary
Rain Epler invited you to come to the podium and make a proposal to the Government of the Republic at the government session, saying that he actually recommends it because you do not have any good proposals.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Now is your time.
Rain Epler
Profiling Fraktsiooni mittekuuluvad Riigikogu liikmedAI Summary
He is calling on the coalition partners to jointly pass a decision that would revoke the voting rights of the citizens of the aggressor state.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets said that the amendment must be sent forward, and the government adopted this direction a long time ago. He does not support the public display of Russian and communist symbolism, and he relies on the experts' assessment that there is no prohibited symbolism involved, adding that religious issues must be discussed in parliament.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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This address is merely a request to invite Helle-Moonika Helme to speak.
Helle-Moonika Helme
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Helme asks how the government, intending to close the Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, while simultaneously allowing thousands of Russian-speaking congregation members in recent years—primarily those originating from Ukrainian territories who are not members of the Estonian Apostolic Orthodox Church—and who attend the church opposite the parliament building, explains the contradiction, and why these individuals are granted international protection and asylum, and why the church is being taken away.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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Estonia and the European Union have offered protection and shelter to war refugees from Ukraine, and we proceed based on what the Ukrainian government and its representatives state regarding the identity of Ukrainians.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Tanel Kiik asked the presiding officer of the session a question.
Tanel Kiik
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Tanel Kiik asks the Presiding Officer whether he shouldn't be managing the debate, given that the EKRE MPs are interrupting and behaving rudely.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Arvo Aller pointed out that the substance of Moonika Helme’s question had not been clarified, and since the content of that political statement was unknown, they were unable to prepare a question regarding the Moscow Apostolic Orthodox Church, which might have caused confusion; next time, a political statement should also include a title, and Raimond Kaljulaid submitted a question to the chairman of the session.
Raimond Kaljulaid
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Raimond Kaljulaid called upon the presiding officer of the session to maintain order in the chamber, grant the floor, and draw attention to infractions, and stated that if these duties are not fulfilled, it is possible to submit a letter of resignation and replace the leadership with someone who genuinely handles the work.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Deputy Chairman Arvo Aller stated that a ringing sound was heard in the chamber, which he immediately pointed out and considered disruptive to both the respondent and the presiding officer of the session, although he could not say what people were discussing among themselves.
Martin Helme
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Martin Helme made a constructive proposal, accusing Raimond and Tanel of shedding crocodile tears over the poor state of political culture. He confirmed that the very next item on the agenda would be a vote of no confidence concerning this poor culture, and asked them to vote in favor of the motion to truly demonstrate their concern for culture.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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He noted that this was not a question for the chairman, but rather the topic of the next agenda item, and he called Raimond Kaljulaid back up before the chairman.
Raimond Kaljulaid
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Raimond Kaljulaid criticized the presiding officer for failing to call to order the colleagues who were shouting down his final question, stating that merely ringing the bell in that situation was pathetic and insufficient.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Deputy Speaker Arvo Aller remarks that calling the chamber to order using the bell is distracting, and members should understand that this is improper conduct—specifically at the exact moment the bell is being sounded.
Helle-Moonika Helme
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Addressing Raimond Kaljulaid’s questions, Helle-Moonika Helme stresses that the presiding officer of the session has further options even after ringing the bell, and she commends the current chair for highlighting that the minister failed to answer the question, warning that dissatisfaction might become vocal.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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The Presiding Officer cannot assist with this matter, but he thanks you for the question, and Raimond Kaljulaid will now elaborate.
Raimond Kaljulaid
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Raimond Kaljulaid requested that the presiding officer declare a recess and speak with his fellow party members so that they would cease the disruption in the Riigikogu chamber, citing the commentaries on the Rules of Procedure and Internal Rules Act.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
AI Summary
Deputy Chairman Arvo Aller stated that he currently saw no justification for a recess, but the hall remained open, everyone had been able to express their thoughts, and Martin Helme then posed a question to the chair of the session.
Martin Helme
Profiling Eesti Konservatiivse Rahvaerakonna fraktsioonAI Summary
Martin Helme believes that the session is being disrupted by Raimond Kaljulaid's foolish questions and his attempt to seize control of the proceedings, along with Lauri Läänemets, who is also wasting everyone's time.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Vice-Chairman Arvo Aller asked Evelin Poolamets to put her question to the rapporteur.
Evelin Poolamets
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Evelin Poolamets asks whether the proposed legal solution for reducing the influence of the Moscow Patriarchate will function, and how to be certain that the recent confiscation of the monument, which did not bear prohibited symbols, will not result in illegal decisions.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
AI Summary
The government's intention is to terminate subordinate relations with Moscow and establish concrete frameworks for the laws, utilizing Estonia's best legal and religious expertise in their drafting, and, if necessary, making amendments during the coordination round, all to ensure Estonia's security and religious freedom. This means that faith must remain independent of political interference, especially when dealing with interference from a hostile state.
Aseesimees Arvo Aller
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Deputy Chairman Arvo Aller calls upon Rene Kokk to speak.
AI Summary
Rene Kokk stated that the influence of Russian citizens in elections and the issue of monuments, especially the Bronze Soldier, requires clear solutions. He then asked the Minister of the Interior when proposals would be presented for restricting their voting rights in local government elections, and when the removal of the monument to the liberators is planned.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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Minister of the Interior Lauri Läänemets said that every year on May 9th, he tries to minimize gatherings around the Bronze Soldier as much as possible and ensure public order. He noted that changing the location of the monument, which is a grave marker at the Defence Forces Cemetery, is the responsibility of the Minister of Defence, and these questions fall under the Minister of Defence’s purview. He also added that EKRE never took any action regarding the Bronze Soldier issue while they were in government.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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That announcement was simply a request to call Madis Kallas to the stage.
Madis Kallas
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Madis Kallas confirms that he supports revoking the voting rights of pro-Putin individuals, emphasizes the concern of Estonian-minded citizens regarding the efforts against the Russian regime, and asks whether the government is already preparing concrete solutions for the 2025 local government elections.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets stresses that the government has been discussing the matter for a considerable time and is working to find concrete solutions regarding Russian and Belarusian influence and the issue of the direct subordination of the Moscow Orthodox Church, in order to guarantee Estonia's security and religious freedom.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Chairman Toomas Kivimägi calls upon Varro Vooglaid to speak.
Varro Vooglaid
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Varro Vooglaid stated that he would have expected a resignation, not a political statement, accused the police of unlawful interference by illegally seizing the Lihula monument, noted that Estonia is becoming similar to Russia and that respect for constitutional rights must not be undermined, stated that there is no evidence of the Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate committing violations or interfering in politics, and asked what the state actually plans to do if the Pühtitsa Convent refuses to submit to this terror and severs ties with the Moscow Patriarchate.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Vice-Chairman Toomas Kivimägi merely offered a word of thanks.
Varro Vooglaid
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Varro Vooglaid asks what you are doing and whether you are sending the police rapid response units with dogs after us, claiming that they themselves created this problem.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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Russia’s aggression in Ukraine and its hostility toward Estonia present a challenge to which Estonia is responding. This problem is not of Estonia’s own making; rather, the influence of the Moscow Patriarchate within the Estonian Orthodox Church raises security and religious freedom concerns. Nevertheless, we will protect the continuation of the monastery in Estonia and resolve these issues calmly.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Speaker Toomas Kivimägi invites Arvo Aller to the stage.
Arvo Aller
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Arvo Aller notes that the presenter’s passionate speech about the security threat elicited a loud interruption from the audience.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Vice-Chairman Toomas Kivimägi grants the floor to Arvo Aller and notes that the question will likely turn into a response speech, and the debate will not be interrupted.
Arvo Aller
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Arvo Aller states that the tense situation has already been caused by the government's own actions (the confiscation of the Lihula monument and the control of symbolism in Sinimäed). He emphasizes the church's subordination to the Moscow Patriarchate and the military service obligation of Russian citizens, reminds us that nobody knows who in the churches is pro-Estonian, and calls for adherence to the borders, while simultaneously asking what problem we are actually solving.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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Regarding the event in Sinimäed, Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets stated that the police's conduct was not unusual compared to previous years, and the primary concern is Russia's influence over the Estonian Orthodox Church, which is headed by the Moscow Patriarch. The Estonian government intends to terminate this influence in defense of its independence.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Speaker Toomas Kivimägi invites Siim Pohlak to speak.
Siim Pohlak
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Siim Pohlak addresses the minister, requesting a clear answer as to whether the confiscation of the Lihula monument was unjustified and constituted an obvious abuse of power, and also seeking confirmation regarding all the circumstances of the case.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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He confirmed that the police neither abused nor overstepped their authority, and although the information received contained supplementary details and required evaluation, the focus in Estonia is on guaranteeing security and freedom of religion.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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At the beginning of the address, Mart Helme is invited to speak.
Mart Helme
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Mart Helme dismisses the accusations regarding his alleged intention to send quick reaction forces to Sinimäed, confirms that the quick reaction forces are on 24/7 standby and that he would have intervened immediately, and questions why people assume that orders will stop coming from Moscow after the termination of relations with the Moscow Patriarchate.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Chairman Toomas Kivimägi thanks.
Mart Helme
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Mart Helme asserts that this is not inciting the community against the Republic of Estonia, and he believes quite the opposite is true regarding the matter.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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The police were carrying out their routine duties to ensure safety in Sinimäed; ministers do not issue such orders. Moscow's influence over the local church is non-existent, and canonical relations will be resolved by the congregations or the church itself, in conjunction with the future law, because it is best if matters are resolved internally without resorting to legal action.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Toomas Kivimägi explained that he did not grant Mart Helme a procedural question, stating that he must fairly distribute opportunities among the faction's leadership and noting that three-quarters of procedural points are actually counter-speeches. He stressed that this was not malicious intent, adding that he is prepared to accept procedural points even after the minister has left, once the main questions have been exhausted.
Aivar Kokk
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Aivar Kokk emphasized that he wants to know the conditions under which the Social Democrats would be prepared to join the party in revoking the right to vote in local elections for citizens of Russia and Belarus, as well as those holding the gray passport, citing the example of Moldova and the danger that Moscow could fulfill its desires by buying votes.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets emphasized that only Estonian citizens are eligible to run in local elections, but stressed that citizenship cannot always be the sole indicator of a person's attitude or security profile, and that it is crucial to guarantee Estonia's security and freedom of religion, even within a diverse society.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Speaker Toomas Kivimägi invites Henn Põlluaas to take the floor.
Henn Põlluaas
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Henn Põlluaas stresses that by acquiring a Russian passport, people have already made their choice. He highlights the diversity of denominations, specifically drawing attention to the close ties between the rapidly growing Muslim community and figures associated with extremist organizations located abroad, and requests clarification on how this law would apply and what its impact would be in such a scenario.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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This speech emphasized that, as of the currently known situation, Estonian security institutions have no objections that would necessitate any changes with the amendment to the law, because these associations are neither managed from outside nor subordinate to a foreign state's governing body, and they do not have such subordination according to their statutes. However, the amendment concerns not only the Estonian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate but also religious associations to be registered in the future that may have ties to terrorist or extremist groups. Furthermore, this has been formulated as a universal principle, and input from the Security Police has been taken into account.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Jaak Valge is invited to speak.
Jaak Valge
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Jaak Valge asked the minister whether their actions—restricting the religious freedom of Russian citizens and slowing down the decision to revoke voting rights—were not counterproductive, arguing that the resulting anger could be channeled to benefit anti-Estonian candidates. He then called upon the minister to declare that, within the coalition, he is working to ensure that citizens of Russia and Belarus are unable to vote in local elections.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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Interior Minister Lauri Läänemets confirmed that the coalition is working to mitigate Estonia's security threats, emphasizing that this is primarily in our hands. He also stressed that the idea of closing down congregations and churches in Ida-Virumaa is unfounded, and legislative amendments do not allow for such actions, which could otherwise cause great public resentment and security concerns.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Vice-Chairman Toomas Kivimägi invited Tanel Kiik to speak.
Tanel Kiik
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Tanel Kiik is asking what the primary objective of this initiative is. He hopes to receive assurance that the freedom of believers is not at risk and that the initiative was actually created to protect religious freedom.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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The state's goal is to ensure religious freedom and security and maintain open congregations in Estonia, but the influence of the Moscow Patriarchate on the Kremlin and its subordination must be terminated so that the local Orthodox Church is not under Moscow's command and the congregations can function independently.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Toomas Kivimägi thanked the minister, stated that there were no questions, and opened the floor for debate to the factions, giving the first speaking slot to Martin Helme on behalf of the EKRE faction.
Martin Helme
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He requests that the call last eight minutes.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Toomas Kivimägi is asking for eight minutes.
Martin Helme
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Martin Helme accuses the government and the Minister of the Interior of severely damaging Estonian security by allowing mass immigration arriving from the East, demands accountability and the resignation of Lauri Läänemets, and accuses their policies of violating freedom of religion and the constitution, as well as excessively increasing state control.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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He thanks, and on behalf of the Isamaa faction, addresses colleague Urmas Reinsalu with a request.
Urmas Reinsalu
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Urmas Reinsalu requests three minutes of extra time.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Chairman Toomas Kivimägi requests that the entire speech last eight minutes.
Urmas Reinsalu
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Urmas Reinsalu called upon all political forces to enter into a common consensus for the sake of Estonian security, and to find a solution for terminating the legal activities of the Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate in Estonia and limiting the influence of Russian Federation citizens related to local elections. He emphasized that Estonia must not be held hostage by a single party and that a mutual understanding must be reached quickly.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Speaker Toomas Kivimägi expresses his gratitude.
Urmas Reinsalu
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Urmas Reinsalu warns that the Social Democrats' laughter is no laughing matter, and Läänemets's words must be taken seriously.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Chairman Toomas Kivimägi expresses thanks to a good colleague.
Urmas Reinsalu
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We must take security threats seriously and act, instead of responding with hollow rhetoric.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Chairman Toomas Kivimägi thanks Urmas and expresses his gratitude.
Urmas Reinsalu
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The speech emphasizes that this constitutes rude and undignified behavior in the face of the security interests of both Parliament and the nation.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Thank you very much, Urmas!
Urmas Reinsalu
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He notes that it is understandable, but these questions are important.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Vice Chairman Toomas Kivimägi said that these are important.
Urmas Reinsalu
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He states that the meeting leader understands that they cannot be treated superficially.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Toomas Kivimägi expresses understanding and thanks and, on behalf of the Estonian Centre Party faction, invites Lauri Laats to speak.
Lauri Laats
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Lauri Laats thanks Lauri Läänemets for his example and invites all ministers to follow this precedent, opening bills before their adoption and providing explanations, in order to preserve religious freedom and avoid societal division.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Chairman Toomas Kivimägi thanks and addresses his colleague Peeter Tali on behalf of the Estonia 200 faction.
Peeter Tali
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Peeter Tali emphasizes that the influence of the Moscow Orthodox Church must end in Estonia, a single Orthodox Church must be restored, and we need to move faster towards achieving that, praising the interior minister's long-term plan and the support of Eesti 200, and stressing that the influence of aggressor states must be eliminated as widely as possible.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Chairman Toomas Kivimägi thanks colleague Jaak Aab and represents the Social Democratic Party faction.
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According to Jaak Aab, the Riigikogu passed a statement declaring the Moscow Patriarchate an institution supporting Russia's aggression and warning against the danger of its appeals, while emphasizing the protection of religious freedom and distinguishing between the institution and the believing people.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Vice-chairman Toomas Kivimägi requested an additional three minutes.
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Jaak Aab emphasized that Estonia must sever the influence and aggressive regime connections of the Moscow Patriarchate, and to do so, the Minister of the Interior’s proposal to amend the law on churches and congregations must eliminate any activity of an organization in Estonia that contradicts international law, and ensure security and freedom of religion.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Chairman Toomas Kivimägi said that the parliamentary groups no longer wish to speak, and concludes by giving the floor to the Minister of the Interior, Lauri Läänemets, who does wish to speak.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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The presentation emphasized that Estonia’s goal is security and religious freedom, and in order to achieve that, the influence of the Moscow Patriarchate must be reduced and ties with the church severed, learning from the experience of Latvia. While the Pope conveys a message of peace and love, the state does not want immediate forceful intervention until the people are ready for it.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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The speech states that three minutes are being added for discussion.
Siseminister Lauri Läänemets
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Läänemets believes that one cannot try to appease the Russians with such actions, emphasizes the importance of promoting Estonian security and the state, and the necessity of ending Moscow's direct influence, and warns of the danger of false teachings in a religious context.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Deputy Chairman Toomas Kivimägi said that after the minister’s speech, he will no longer give an opening address, but he is prepared to give a closing statement to the Isamaa parliamentary group if Urmas Reinsalu wishes it, and asked him to confirm that wish.
Urmas Reinsalu
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Urmas Reinsalu said that today's decisions regarding the security crisis will affect security in the long term and that one must look at the long view regarding the growth of danger, accusing the interior minister of an inadequate response to day-to-day politics.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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At the very beginning, Toomas Kivimägi thanked the audience.
Urmas Reinsalu
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Urmas Reinsalu's speech addresses the status of a responsible government member.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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This speech was simply an expression of gratitude.
Urmas Reinsalu
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Urmas Reinsalu calls in this situation for the party’s interests to be subordinated to the interests of the Republic of Estonia and the national interests of Estonia.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Toomas Kivimägi thanks Urmas, declares the negotiations concluded, and Riina Solman poses a question to the meeting chairman.
Riina Solman
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Riina Solman raises the party’s chauvinistic behavior in her speech, recalls Jürgen Ligi’s insult from last week, criticizes Reform Party’s lies and the interior minister’s inaction, alongside the question of voting rights for citizens of third countries, and asks procedurally how she could get a word in at the session and what answers she expects.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Toomas Kivimägi thanked his colleague Lauri Laats and said that when dealing with a fundamental, sensitive topic, a political statement must be made before placing the draft on the table, and its reception gauged to measure the temperature of parliament, which is an additional opportunity, although not for all drafts; when the draft comes to the hall, there is always the possibility to ask a question, then participate in the second reading and negotiations, and he explained to Urmas Reinsalu the right of reply on behalf of the Isamaa faction, emphasizing that this is not chauvinism, and finally he asked Rain Epler to raise a procedural question.
Rain Epler
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Rain Epler expresses a desire to receive the floor on behalf of the faction, recalls last week’s events in the context of the minister’s farewell speech, and asks whether a standard practice has emerged for representing the faction or whether it remains dependent on individuals.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Toomas Kivimägi repeated that after the minister’s speech, parliamentary groups are not permitted to speak, but a rejoinder is allowed, and he concluded consideration of the agenda item, asking Riina Solman to deliver the next speech.
Riina Solman
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Riina Solman said that she didn't want to speak instead of Urmas Reinsalu, withdrew her request to speak, and would follow procedure, but protested when she was simply pushed to the end.
Aseesimees Toomas Kivimägi
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Toomas Kivimägi explains that he doesn't favor procedural maneuvers, as they are often responses or following the order, and emphasizes that this isn’t personal, and the handling of the second agenda item is concluded.